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by Og
Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:20 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
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Andreas wrote:I am fine too with saying I don't know Og. Thats the whole point, I don't think anybody can know..
Andreas wrote:It means that our brain needs to make up some rules so it doesn't go cuckoo....
Trying to reconcile these two statements. Can you help?
by Og
Tue Jul 08, 2014 5:31 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

It means that our brain needs to make up some rules so it doesn't go cuckoo.... What do you think it means? This would be the difference that I see between a pseudoscientific and scientific world view. I am fine with saying, "I don't know" on this topic. But this probably just has to do with our tr...
by Og
Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:53 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

I think our minds are so primitive, everything needs to have a beginning, a middle and an end. Even if there is something that happened before the big bang, I am still forced to think what happened before that and before that. OK I feel like I am going crazy now. I'll stop.. And yet our brains are ...
by Og
Tue Jul 08, 2014 2:31 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

Og, I read the article. This theory implies that everything has been determined since the start. The initial conditions set everything in motion and everything followed from them. Seems to me it suffers from the regression problem. When did things start? Again, relativity seems to imply time "start...
by Og
Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:44 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

There is a way to escape the inference of superluminal speeds and spooky action at a distance. But it involves absolute determinism in the universe, the complete absence of free will. Suppose the world is super-deterministic, with not just inanimate nature running on behind-the-scenes clockwork, bu...
by Og
Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:30 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

Og wrote: I think that the indeterminism in quantum comes from an unpredictable interaction between the observer and the observed. Perhaps Ron can speak more to this one as he studied this in detail. I don't believe that we feel that there are no mechanisms at play. Quantum Mechanics is "Mechanics"...
by Og
Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:40 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

I am not saying that the whole IS a giant machine. I am saying that science assumes that it is. Og By and large the macro bits do appear to be mechanistic. It is only when we peer at the limits of our current physics do we start to be unsure whether there is a mechanism or not underlying our quantu...
by Og
Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:26 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

I certainly understand this, Og, and some of my own most awesome experiences lead me back to consideration the physical sciences, particularly so when it comes cosmology and astronomy. Cool. For me, it has been biology/neuroscience and physics and robotics (and all those together in the act of pare...
by Og
Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:22 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

to look beyond science as well. :) As for beauty, in my opinion, a purely scientific interpretation misses the aesthetic point and any associated interpretative meanings... I really and truly hope to understand what this means. But, honestly, most of the time I probe into this, I find pseudoscienti...
by Og
Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:09 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

Re: Theories...

To start, just musing... Nevertheless, in terms of science and as far as I've come to understand as a lay person, I do like chaos theory as one explanatory model at the objective level, i.e., "agreed-upon observable level" as defined by the scientific community. In this theory, both intermittant un...
by Og
Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:33 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

Or to rephrase, Whole = giant machine, therefore no free will. Yes. Science assumes a mechanism. This is the first law of thermo. All phenomena are some sort of energy/matter transfer patten with zero sum. Thus there can be no scientific support for free will. I am not saying anything more than tha...
by Og
Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:17 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

Og wrote Honorless" or other social implications aside, science cannot be used to support mechanism free intrinsic actors Why not? Pretty simple here, and I am surprised I need to spell it out for you Ron. Science buld models from correlations in data and then validates these models against predict...
by Og
Mon Jul 07, 2014 3:26 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

Classical Mechanics. Quantum Mechanics. Both are mechanics. That means that reality can be modeled by solutions to differential equations. Modeled very accurately at every level we have tested them at. How do these equations work? Put in the current state or boundary conditions and the models predic...
by Og
Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:36 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

Og, The fact that we can predict the dual nature doesn't eliminate the dual nature. Even so. The system evolves according to physical laws... Dual or otherwise. The point is that a system that is the expression of physical laws is, to be redundant, a mechanistic system. There are detailed explanati...
by Og
Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:56 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Free Will
Replies: 2783
Views: 123924

I have been meaning to post on this too, but life has been in the way. Elementary particles exhibit behaviors that, in classical mechanics, appear contradictory. But an elementary particle is neither a pressure wave or a billiard ball. It is a different phenomena all together that exhibits behaviors...