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by tonyd
Thu May 26, 2016 6:06 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Hi James, I would second Ron's observation on thinking. I would add though that you do need to be more trusting of your own knowledge, experience and voice. You're inclined to qualify perfectly good insights - and articulations of such - with unnecessary self-deprecation. It is useful to have some c...
by tonyd
Sat May 21, 2016 1:37 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Hi James, Thank you, I've been a fan of David Miller ever since I heard him give the keynote address at the Study of Mythology symposium at Pacifica in 2012. He appeared at first an aged man but then drew up and radiated remarkable energy as he moved into his talk which was on the notion of ' do dis...
by tonyd
Tue May 17, 2016 9:06 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Hi Ron, yes I think Campbell in his Atlas Book (The Way of the Animal Powers I) judges that such tales like Unumbotte, first Man, Snake and the Tree and The Creator and the Tahu Tree came up the Nile to Egypt and then onward to the Levant. Hi James, here an archaeologist, Joachim Hahn, plays a 42,00...
by tonyd
Mon May 16, 2016 9:34 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Hi Ron and James, This is a tricky topic but one covered fairly well by Campbell. In general Campbell considered that Europe's (and by extension the West's) high regard for the individual can be traced back to the Palaeolithic hunter. The Garden of Eden type of tale may have its origin in the tropic...
by tonyd
Thu May 12, 2016 3:26 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Hi James, Yes, I see you're applying what you know against your experience and indeed looking for more knowledge to better explore and assimilate such experience, which is sort of what I was talking about, namely the application of knowledge. Ps: My son and I had a grand, if on occasion slightly str...
by tonyd
Wed May 11, 2016 8:37 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Hi James, I wrote a couple of replies continuing the thread but then deleted them. The two articles by Pete Williams and Richard Dagan are indeed insightful and generally excellent. I jumped back to the Cultural Philosophy thread to recap on what we discussed there. It occurs to me James that you ha...
by tonyd
Fri May 06, 2016 9:05 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Hi James, Delighted the quotes struck a chord and I now see where you are coming from. I agree the 'creative process' is the thing. I think Hillman maybe 'your man' but Eliot encapsulates many of your observations in his lines: … As we grow older The world becomes stranger, the pattern more complica...
by tonyd
Mon May 02, 2016 7:15 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Hi James, Just the way my psyche functions I tend to use Campbell's terminology rather than Jung's. In regard to the modern situation, the personal myth and the artist (creative individual of any kind); I like this quote from p4 of Creative Mythology : the individual has had an experience of his own...
by tonyd
Mon May 02, 2016 11:59 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Validity
Replies: 2
Views: 1711

Hi Matte, Campbell was a rigorous scholar and all his formal texts are impeccably punctuated with his sources. Campbell's works are always my mainstay when writing on any matters of cultural history. I completed an MPhil thesis last year in Trinity College Dublin and the assessors had no issue with ...
by tonyd
Mon May 02, 2016 11:34 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Without experience there is no mythical thinking . In the case of the 'flower': a practical example is that when I was diagnosed with a treatable but incurable autoimmune condition many years back, I decided to create a space within which to practice Tai Chi. http://www.miotas.org/images/2may2016_ga...
by tonyd
Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:58 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Delightful responses. Brightened up my morning! Thanks James for that quotation about Campbell about Jungians, I always wondered how he viewed this relationship. The Dead Poets' Society is perfect example too of the conflict between life experienced and life abstracted to the point that all emotion ...
by tonyd
Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:02 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Hi James, Yes, I agree with you on all points and I found Campbell's discussion of Guernica fascinating. Following Campbell's approach, and using Jung, Von Franz and Hillman et al for the psychological dimension, I'm moving tentatively towards viewing myths as narratives that encapsulate the major t...
by tonyd
Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:08 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Apologies Ron for the delay in responding, I'm out and about in the wilds of France and internet connections can be hard to find. Campbell addressed the issue many times in different ways: in his essay The Symbol without Meaning he writes: .. a symbol, like everything else, shows a double aspect. We...
by tonyd
Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:59 pm
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Hi Ron, Campbell addresses this theme several times in his works when he writes that originally mythology encompassed both experience and thought but that at a certain juncture in history (12th century in Europe?)these go apart in the form of 'art' (experience) and science (thought) respectively. On...
by tonyd
Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:15 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking
Replies: 55
Views: 12586

Nietzsche on Mythic versus Conceptual Thinking

I'm sure many enthusiasts of Campbell and Jung feel at one time or other completely misunderstood when talking to academics. This is not a new problem but the following quotation taken from Nietzsche's, The Untimely Meditations , cuts to the heart of the matter. Wagner's poetic ability is shown by h...