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by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: The story of Sophocles
Replies: 45
Views: 8020

The issue of censorship is a red herring. In a school curriculum failure to read a certain work isn't censoring all others. If Sophocles is read then Aristophanes or Shakespeare or Moliere or Shaw or somebody is going to be left out. If censorship is the issue, then the same argument can be made aga...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: Mythology and Religion
Topic: Why Christianity is Hopelessly Flawed (aka Original Sin as M
Replies: 41
Views: 10067

>it isn't so much the religions themselves that are flawed, but the thousands of years of people who have "interpreted" them to suit their own needs. How do you relate to anything without interpreting it? One doesn't have a religion to keep it under glass on the shelf. >my favorite bone to pick is t...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: The story of Sophocles
Replies: 45
Views: 8020

My point is that, in discussing curriculum, the question is the substantive merit of the works to be studied, not censorship of everything that isn't. I was responding to the poster who made this a censorship issue. You can respond to it that way, but that approach works for anything, and if you sud...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Science & Religion
Replies: 63
Views: 9614

>I find it deeply disturbing that someone here on these forums would adamantly oppose Religious Pluralism. How can you find it deeply disturbing if you yourself are committed to pluralism? Does your own committment to pluralism foreclose others from rejecting it? Isn't an insistence that pluralism b...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: The story of Sophocles
Replies: 45
Views: 8020

>there any reason for the book to be excluded from the library bookshelf? I don't think I'd exclude anything, unless the space had to be contricted. But, if I were sitting on a book acqusition committee, and we only had enough money to buy something by Robertson or something by Emerson, I'd go with ...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Science & Religion
Replies: 63
Views: 9614

So, say, if a Buddhist thinks enlightement and release from the wheel of existence is just a metaphor, or if a Moslem thinks Allah is just a metaphor, then there's not problem? But how many real Buddhists or Moslems actually so think? And metaphors for what? Is the thing that the religion is merely ...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Science & Religion
Replies: 63
Views: 9614

Is that a translation from the last stanza of Faust:

Alles Vergaengliche
Is nur ein Gleichnis;

?

If so, I think it's a little overtranslated.

by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: The story of Sophocles
Replies: 45
Views: 8020

>In short determining what they do or do not read is tantamount to social engineering and does not either promote nor permit free will or the virtues of integrity (being the opposite of hypocrisy). So it sounds like you're opposed to any curriculum whatsoever. >If one really wanted to break the dead...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Science & Religion
Replies: 63
Views: 9614

I'm not sure that Goethe's likeness was necessarily to the "transcendent." But that's a quibble. My main question is, if religions are simply metaphors, and religious statements not to be taken literally, what is the literal reality to which the metaphor points? The "transcendent" doesn't really tel...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Science & Religion
Replies: 63
Views: 9614

>one of the greatest acts of violence is saying: "You are wrong." Well, this puts me in a pickle. How do I disagree with that without you thinking I am offering you violence? Perhaps with an example. Mr. Jones tells me the Holocaust didn't happen, that it was a lie created by international Jewry to,...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: Mythology and Religion
Topic: Why Christianity is Hopelessly Flawed (aka Original Sin as M
Replies: 41
Views: 10067

It's a question of history, of course. Still, I think it bears repeating that Christianity arose in a highly literate culture, and remained, itself, a highly literature culture. What we call the "Dark Ages" is that period in Wstern Europe after the barbarian invasions, the domination of the old West...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: The story of Sophocles
Replies: 45
Views: 8020

> All censorship is ultimately about either power or protection. Ironically, the dynamics of either are the same. You are trying to limit someone else's exposure to particular ideas for fear of the influence that it will have on them. When it comes to education, the limitation is part and parcel of ...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Science & Religion
Replies: 63
Views: 9614

Does pluralism have any place in science. Obviously science requires freedom to challenge existing orthodoxies. Scientists must be able to research freely, criticise one another's work, and publicize new ideas. But, given contradictory ideas, can both be held, or does one exclude the other? Does pla...
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Need of Dionysus in people's lives
Replies: 12
Views: 2509

Given teen pregnancy and alcoholism statistics from the deep South, I'm not sure they really need lectures on the importance of the Dionysian side of life. They seem to be doing just fine.

Admittedly, there are no instances I know of of sons torn to pieces by their mothers in ecstatic frenzies.
by Richard Arthur
Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:22 am
Forum: The Conversation with a Thousand Faces
Topic: Need of Dionysus in people's lives
Replies: 12
Views: 2509

Most young people I've ever known were quite capable of rebelling and going hog wild entirely on their own. :smile: