But first allow me to quote the respected Claude Levi-Strauss.
Daruma observedI don’t pretend at all that, because I think that way I am entitled to conclude that mankind thinks that way too. But I believe that, for each scholar and each writer, the particular way he or she thinks and writes opens a new outlook on mankind. And the fact that I personally have this idiosyncrasy perhaps entitles me to point to something which is valid, while the way in which my colleagues think opens different outlooks, all of which are equally valid.
What a childish waste of time! Fans argueing which star is best.
So does it appear we have a Campbell vs. Wilbur division?
But this is a very interesting debate because it hints at, on a much deeper level, the dichotomy of beliefs that permeate the global consciousness.
These two men exemplify (I would guess...I simply use pattern recognition to make 'quantum' leaps of understanding) what lies at the core of the 21st century myth.
Today we lie at the gate of understanding the metaphysical using quantum gravity...the theory of everything.
Science and Religion/Myth are merging.
Wilbur and Campbell exemplify this merging.
They could be seen as the Yin Yang of consciousness.
Now without having read all the threads posted here … I shall go out on a limb.
In this battle for our minds and hearts which exists on all levels…from the microcosm to the macrocosm we are presented once more with an opportunity to make a choice between the pre-dominantly Right-Brained Campbell and the obviously Left-Brained Wilbur.
Wilburs’ own analysis actually warrants this observation.
What we have here fellow associates is the metaphorical, allegorical and studied to death ‘duality’.
I also see Wilbur’s thoughts, his pre/trans fallacy as an evolution or expansion or Campbell’s own thoughts.
As Campbell himself said time and again…”when we leave the transcendent we enter the field of pairs and opposites”.
You must go here… http://www.integralworld.net/fallacy.html
Here Wilbur summarizes in psychological and sociological terms his interpretation of the dividing of the transcendent.
Or simply the splitting of the hermaphrodite.
Wilbur’s pairs or opposites existing in his trans-personal field of ‘dreams’ is the Personal and the Spiritual.
Under Wilbur’s classification of the Personal we see the classic metaphoric qualities or tendencies of the LEFT -Brained individual.
i.e. rational, man/masculine, science, ego, culture etc.
And the RIGHT-Brain is of course represented by the spiritual, women, religion, self/essence/being, nature etc.
And then Wilbur takes these qualities and further classifies them into 3 broader categories, as a Left-Brained individual would be prone to do.
Now I could take these three categories and suggest they also have been represented in great detail by mythical metaphor and scripture.
The Right-Brain would see these classifications as a ‘Trinity or Triune’.
However at this time I merely mean to plant that seed of thought, because what I really what to discuss is this apparent ‘duality’ of thought that has been represented throughout the ages, for tens of thousands of years.
What if I were to suggest that there exists, that there resides within our consciousness two symbols representing this division of thought?
What if I were to suggest these two symbols can be shown to have had their birth amongst the stars, in the apparent movement of the stars?
What if I were to suggest that these two symbols represent the duality that has become OUR modern myth, ‘THE’ myth of the 21st century?
What if it can be shown these two symbols represent the ‘polarity’ of thought that directs man’s collective behaviours?
What if these two symbols represent essentially the two ‘holocausts’ now immortalized in our recorded history?
What if these two symbols also represent the duality of Cain vs. Abel?
What if these two symbols help explain the division that exists between western linear theosophy and eastern cyclical mysticism?
What if we deny the evidence I am about to present?
The answer not surprisingly is in the heavens, always has been…observable with the naked eye…no telescopes are necessary.
(Thus for the answers, no ego or pride of accomplishment is necessary to build the telescope.)
Remember 99% of mankind’s activity took place as hunter-gatherers. And the 1% of recorded history, that epoch of butchery we call civilization is where we find ourselves today. So assuming our pre-historic ancestors were keen observers of the heavens and cycles of SPACETIME we can draw conclusions.
Watching the heavens was the ONLY show that played at the local drive-in at that time. It was a re-run, played nightly with slight alterations of the story line through the course of the year.
Here are the facts for those Left-Brained individuals who require information for analysis.
Those Right-brained among you, intuitively in the end will feel my hypothesis has merit.
It will simply ‘feel right’.
This duality of which I speak is also esoterically represented by the north vs. south magnetic polarities.
Just the Facts:
All comments italicized are not to be interpreted as facts, merely an interpretation.
Looking north we see but one star that dominates the night sky.
It is Polaris the North Star.
In the northern hemisphere all the constellations seem to revolve around Polaris in a counter-clockwise rotation. They revolve around a central point or axis.
The earth rotates counter-clockwise when viewed from above the north pole…i.e. from outer space but rotates clockwise when the observer is positioned in the northern hemisphere looking up at the sky.
It is without a doubt a ‘cyclical’ pattern which is observable and which can be shown eventually evolved into an ancient pre-historic Solar Cross.
This solar cross it has been shown without a doubt penetrated all the ancient civilizations with the exception of Egypt, Chaldea, Assyria and Phoenicia.
And the 2 twins most conspicuous as universal ‘timekeepers’ are the Big and Little Dipper, the Great Bear and Little Bear.
Each consists of 7 stars.
And between the Two Bears is Draco the Dragon acting as a boundary between the Two Dippers.
Draco could be viewed as the metaphoric serpent guarding the Apples of the Hesperides which grow on the axle tree. - Joscelyn Godwin
Around 4000 B.C. the night sky could be recorded as thus … the 7-stars known as the Little Bear if placed in the sky according to the 4 seasons and the 4 directions of space revolving around the then Pole-star Thuban or alpha Draconis resembles without a doubt the Solar Cross known to us as the swastika or the Buddhist omote manji, a symbol of love and mercy.
It is interesting to note that this symbol represents also the rotation of the earth, west moving toward east, toward the rising sun.
But the most important realization is that the observer in the northern hemisphere sees circular trails, the stars as moving around a central point.
It represents the celestial observations and the birth of the Goddess worshipping cultures, the pagans, those who see the world as a sum of the parts, as a whole, those ancestors of ours who lived by the light of the golden sun and silvery moon, the predominant Right-brained tree-hugging pagans.
The swastika penetrated all of the polytheistic societies.
Now if we position ourselves in the southern hemisphere and look toward the night sky we observe a vastly different ‘light’ show, a vastly different message from the gods/god.
The stars do not rotate around a central point but appear to move across the sky in a linear fashion unlike the observers in the northern hemisphere that see the passage of time as cyclical.
What we have is cellular imprinting, the result of watching the same light show for thousands of years...my daughters repeat and mimic commercials after only a few viewings.
And there is also a constellation in the southern hemisphere visible to the naked eye called Crux. This constellation gives us a clue to the other symbol, known to us as the Crucifix.
It represents the dominant western thought directing today’s collective it appears.
It represents Linear theosophy…a beginning and an end…Genesis and Armageddon.
It was the birth of monotheism.
And today’s 21st century myth is the Exodus from Egypt of an oppressed people.
The myth speaks of a persecuted society condemned to wandering the earth.
The perpetrators of the Jewish Holocaust are forever symbolized today by the Swastika.
But the result of the Exodus was the establishment of a patriarchal society, which chose to eat and embrace the Tree of knowledge…representing the linear journey of man’s accomplishments, his history, the journey of his pride and ego.
But there has been another Holocaust that has been actually recorded since the beginning of recorded history. It has been the slow eradication of a belief system. Systems that had been in place for thousands of years prior to the advent of a written language. These matriarchal earth worshipper’s have had their beliefs and lifestyles marginalized by the Temple Priests…the obvious victors in the battle for our ‘hearts and minds’.
Yes it is the holocaust of the non-believers, those not indoctrinated by the Judaeo-Christians those who stood in the way of exploiting Gaia.
The ‘Chosen’ have been conducting their own stealth holocaust disguised as saving heathens, exploration and conquest strictly for the purpose of securing lands for energy resource exploitation, etc.
Through time the Left-Brained Intellectual Temple Priests and the Soulless non-elected Corporate masters have slowly plundered the earth.
Need I go on?
In conclusion it could be shown most polytheistic cultures had in their symbolism equal-armed crosses within a circle which is essentially a solar cross, a swastika.
And most monotheistic cultures have reverance for the Crucifix.
(A distinction should be made between the equal-armed cross and the crucifix which is visibly 'longer in the south'.)
So I suggest Campbell is a Right-brained intellectual who tried to explain life using symbols and archetypes choosing to see myths as representing the BIG picture. Joe represents the ancient Swastica, that of love and mercy, ALL the aspects contained within a circle, within the Monad.
Wilbur is simply first and foremost a Left-brained 'mathematical' intellectual who has a Cross to bear.
More of my cosmogony (more interesting connections … i.e. how the crucifix ‘evolved’ from the equal – armed cross) is expressed in the following threads…and remember before you judge my thoughts, “….for each scholar and each writer, the particular way he or she thinks and writes opens a new outlook on mankind”.
http://www.jcf.org/new/forum/viewtopic. ... 2&forum=27
http://www.jcf.org/new/forum/viewtopic. ... 3&forum=27
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