April 21, 2020 at 1:10 am #2834
I really love the audio series. Each longer lecture is sectioned into several parts of a few to several minutes each, and where the shorter sections pause/stop, there is room for thought, note-taking, and discussion. I love these for my own research and also for their convenience to have conversation on them at the local Joseph Campbell meetings. I think they make a great course in mythology for many a fascinating and informative meeting.
One of my favorites is a section called “The Role of a Traditional Mythology” in Campbell’s lecture called Personal Myth. In it he tells of three different roles/types/qualities of myths. I will post about it later in a separate post under this topic– I am listening to it again!
April 21, 2020 at 3:11 am #2844
Thank you Mary, for sharing that. Joe left roughly a thousand tapes of lectures – many from the seventies and eighties on cassette tapes, many from the fifties and sixties on reel-to-reel recordings, and some from even earlier on wire spool recordings!
Can’t just feed those into a tape player. Even the reel-to-reel recordings and the cassettes, it’s hard to find equipment to play them back, much less duplicate them. It’s taken a lot of effort on the part of of many people to bring them to life (Mark Watts, who did the same for his father, Alan’s talks, pioneered that effort during the first decade of the Foundation, and much of the last decade Jimmy Maxwell, musician-extraordinaire, has taken on that task.
Looking forward to your thoughts on “The Role of a Traditional Mythology.”
tie-dyed teller of talesApril 28, 2020 at 4:30 pm #2973
I am very grateful to all those who have put these tapes together in a form that can be listened to today.
Mary AnnApril 28, 2020 at 4:33 pm #2974
Stephen, I tried to edit in (as a sort of P.S.) to my original post my comments on the audio lecture, but I could not find an edit button. So I will post it as a reply to my original post.April 28, 2020 at 5:22 pm #2975
I tried to edit my comments in to my original post about the audio lecture on “The Role of a Traditional Mythology” but could not find the edit button there, so I am including it here as a response. It is in the larger lecture (1.4.5) called Personal Myth which is divided into 10 sections.
Campbell spoke of three ways of regarding myth. He begins by discussing how while we are here on this earth, we see an “image of life as something that eats itself,” and feel this horrific sense of what it is to participate in life on earth. Leaves die then decay to be returned to the earth’s soil, for instance; there is a food chain in which animals eat other animals to stay alive, and we humans participate in eating live things also, whether plants or animals. (I am adding some of my own descriptions in here too.) He says we tend to respond in three main ways to this.
One way is an affirmation of “this horrific thing.” We know we have no choice but to participate in life feeding off life, and have to work it out within ourselves to accept it. He says we then say “the world is what it is in all its brutality.” He mentions this is a Buddhist sort of view, and in coming to the realization that life is perfect like the Golden Lotus flower yet has its imperfections/sorrows, that this a “coming to the depths of yourself that is deeper than the sorrows”–what I sense or feel from this is a sort of inner strength or resilience, as per finding it within oneself the capacity to be happy again (the word again means a “gain”/ “a-gain”) or move forward again after a challenging time. (I am thinking here: Where do these inner resources come from, I wonder? We can sense them, we can activate them, but it is almost as it they are stored somewhere inside our very beings. From whence the mind/soul/human spirit comes one’s “will?” Where does “instinct reside? I suppose we could about “psyche.”)
Another way is to negate it. Campbell says in this lecture that 19th century philosopher Schopenhauer (who contended that the world was not really rational) said, “I won’t play.” You can bow out of the game of life–yet how do you not eat and stay alive? Another way to negate the ‘horrific’ yet ‘perfect’ truth to life is to say, quoting Campbell here that, “I am pure, I am so spiritual that I will not participate in the world” and “I am so pure I will not go through this darkness.” It seems we we either dive into the world with a sense of inclusion even in the unpleasant realities or else exclude ourselves somehow and ignore what we find horrific.
Then there is the way of battle, between “Good and Evil,” one good deity and one bad deity or in general this duality of good and evil. This idea we the world was perfectly created but the evil deity came along and corrupted it. In this idea/regard of myth, we “wish to reconstitute the world.” (I guess the only problem is that we can’t. Life still feeds on life.) Here, I think of Led Zepplen’s “Battle of Evermore” song.
Here are the lyrics retrieved from https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/ledzeppelin/thebattleofevermore.html
“The Battle Of Evermore”
The Queen of Light took her bow,
And then she turned to go,
The Prince of Peace embraced the gloom,
And walked the night alone.
Oh, dance in the dark of night,
Sing to the morning light.
The dark Lord rides in force tonight,
And time will tell us all.
Oh, throw down your plow and hoe,
Rest not to lock your homes.
Side by side we wait the might
Of the darkest of them all.
I hear the horses’ thunder down in the valley below,
I’m waiting for the angels of Avalon, waiting for the eastern glow.
The apples of the valley hold the seeds of happiness,
The ground is rich from tender care,
Repay, do not forget, no, no.
Dance in the dark of night,
Sing to the morning light.
The apples turn to brown and black,
The tyrant’s face is red.
Oh war is the common cry,
Pick up your swords and fly.
The sky is filled with good and bad
That mortals never know.
Oh, well, the night is long, the beads of time pass slow,
Tired eyes on the sunrise, waiting for the eastern glow.
The pain of war cannot exceed the woe of aftermath,
The drums will shake the castle wall,
The ring wraiths ride in black, ride on.
Sing as you raise your bow,
Shoot straighter than before.
No comfort has the fire at night
That lights the face so cold.
Oh dance in the dark of night,
Sing to the morning light.
The magic runes are writ in gold to bring the balance back.
Bring it back.
At last the sun is shining,
The clouds of blue roll by,
With flames from the dragon of darkness,
The sunlight blinds his eyes.
This brings me to what Campbell says about the artist, that s/he is open to the great mystery, that when the artist captures the beauty of a truth or the truth to a beauty in the world as are then “fixed” in an “aesthetic arrest.” And how the moon/planets in myths in the course of time “represent radiance higher than this world.” He says the moon has been a symbol of that higher power of radiance and of a basis of mythological thinking.April 29, 2020 at 12:50 am #2991
Thanks for the info about the edit button, Mary – there should be one now.
tie-dyed teller of talesJuly 1, 2020 at 4:41 pm #3458R³Joined: October 26, 2017Participant
Love the Zepp reference.
🎶”Many miles away something crawls from the slime
At the bottom of a dark Scottish lake”
“Many miles away something crawls to the surface
Of a dark Scottish loch”
“Many miles away there’s a shadow on the door
Of a cottage on the shore
Of a dark Scottish lake”🎶July 11, 2020 at 3:57 am #3524jamesn.Joined: January 9, 2017Participant
One thing Mary, Stephen, and Robert about these lectures that make them so unique to me is in each one Joseph talks about his various ideas and themes in a different way each time; so that your understanding of what he says broadens out. It’s not a repetition but challenges you to look and think about what he is telling from different points of view.
Here is a clip used by the Foundation Home Page as an example of what these wonderful lectures contain. This particular one was taken from the Cooper series in 1968. It covers a section on Jung where he discusses: “The Night Sea Journey”; and is listed in the collections for sale as: (Modern Myths of Quest – Series II Audio: Lecture II.6.I – Mythic Ideas and Modern Culture – Vol 6)
(This was the original link to it I copied from the Home Page):
https://www.jcf.org/works/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/04/13-The-Night-Sea-Journey.mp3?utm_source=JCF+Full+List&utm_campaign=18ef3ae79e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_mythblast-political-matters_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f0fa926132-18ef3ae79e-45216719&mc_cid=18ef3ae79e&mc_eid=010f5d525cJuly 13, 2020 at 7:53 am #3537SurojitJoined: July 13, 2020Participant
“All Star” is a song by American rock band Smash Mouth. Written by Greg Camp and produced by Eric Valentine, it was released on May 4, 1999, as the second single from their second studio album, Astro Lounge (1999). The song was one of the last to be written for Astro Lounge after the band’s record label Interscope requested more songs that could be released as singles. In writing it, Camp drew musical influence from contemporary songs from artists like Sugar Ray and Third Eye Blind and sought out to create an “anthem” for outcasts. In contrast to the more ska-punk style of the band’s 1997 debut album Fush Yu Mang, “All Star” adopts a more radio-friendly style.July 26, 2020 at 5:32 pm #3637SurojitJoined: July 13, 2020ParticipantJuly 26, 2020 at 5:37 pm #3640
That’s an impressive list of lyrics, Surojit, but please provide some context about how these relate to mythology, or to one of Joseph Campbell’s many other areas of interest (e.g. depth psychology, comparative religion, etc.), rather than just posting a seemingly random list. You should be able to do that by clicking the “Edit” button and adding a paragraph at the top of your post (or even just sharing your thoughts in a reply to this post).
Otherwise, we’re likely to delete your post as off-topic.
tie-dyed teller of talesJuly 28, 2020 at 1:37 pm #3662R³Joined: October 26, 2017Participant
You lost me at 19 …
Indeed LFES (Life’s) a BLOOM a Jubilee
And alive in Las Flores Elementary School.
Quite a trip from starting wit Logic …
Good imagination !
Love the audio allusion… Genius!!!
The narrative works better with YouTube …
Found English subtitle videos…
Transparent to the transcendent!!!
The Lover and Beloved …
An Eternal cross cultural Cosmic theme …
Played sung danced across all levels of creation the universe The Cosmos !!!
Makes me Hungry !
Makes me thirsty !
In Silence …
Makes me empathetic to the procreative urges and longings of the organs … heart … mind. Those three chalice seas of transformation nested concentrically … Nexus points of eternity & Myth … the nurturing protecting of the generation … With dignity and awe … the raising up to a Higher Order a Higher Love …September 2, 2020 at 12:30 am #3867PepJoined: June 12, 2020Participant
Wow! I’m delighted you quote Led Zeppelin & (Schopenhauer too). But I find the most interesting song (I think it’s an anthem, my favourite & best song ever, a classic) is “Stairway to heaven”. I’ ve always thought the “Piper” is the “Pied Piper of Hamelin”. Although a Canadian friend of mine told me he found it rather in Kenneth Grahame’s “Piper at the Gates of Dawn” from “Wind in the Willows”, there’s a band called “Wind in the Willows“ as well where Deborah Harry of Blondie participated & (the song’s beautiful too). Other bands like Pink Floyd from those years were inspired by the same. It’s not my generation but my friend’s so maybe he knows better.September 2, 2020 at 12:49 am #3868PepJoined: June 12, 2020Participant
P.s.: Robert Plant says his favourite is Kashmir
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