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Much relieved to hear that Stephen; because it happens to be one of my favorite quotes of his and have used it often; but unfortunately a lot of the time in it’s abbreviated form you just mentioned! Glad you posted this thread so to have a place to inform everyone about these things.
Thanks for this bringing up this important issue to be aware of; Stephen.
I have used the above quote about the “Cave” on numerous occasions because of the reference in Diane Osbon’s book: “Reflections on the Art of Living: A Joseph Campbell Companion”; and had no idea it was not Joseph’s; and indeed after reading through the foundation homepage listings as you linked to above; all of these numerous quotes you mentioned were well worth any time spent with them. Yes; that would be quite helpful if anyone finds anything like this to bring it to your attention! Thank you for posting this.September 28, 2020 at 7:10 am in reply to: Talking with filmmaker Patrick Takaya Solomon about “Finding Joe” #4007
Welcome to the forums Patrick; so glad to have you here. I was so deeply moved by your personal story it reminded me of a couple of lines from the movie: “Dead Poets Society”; where Robin Williams played high school English teacher: John Keating and in these 2 scenes: 1) The Meaning of Poetry; he refers to life as a stage where: “The powerful play goes on and you may contribute a verse – What will your verse be?” And 2) where he tells his students: “We are all food for worms” and uses the Latin phrase: “Carpe Diem; or Seize the Day”; as a metaphor for their life choices and to make their lives extraordinary.
So my question refers to the term “Bliss”; and whether since you made this film do the people you talk to understand what goes with this journey? (I realize this may be subjective to the individual interpretation; but by that I mean Joseph said that this choice was a destiny call coming out of; as he put it: “from the push out of your own existence”. And often there was a misunderstanding which at one point out of frustration he mentioned: “Perhaps I should have said: (follow your blisters).” I say this because often I think people get the idea that it just means finding what you love to do; and don’t understand the pain and suffering that can often go with this life journey or adventure; and that the hero is a metaphor for what one must often undergo; not necessarily someone who wins a victory. I think this is a critical idea because it ties into everything else concerning the life that one must sometimes live that often gives it it’s greatest depth of meaning. (Tolkien’s: “Lord of the Rings”- trilogy would be one example for instance; with the character Samwise Gamgee in the: “Two Towers”; when he says to Frodo who is down-hearted and discouraged:
“I know. It’s all wrong. By rights we shouldn’t even be here. But we are. It’s like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn’t want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something. – (What’s that Sam?) “That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo… and it’s worth fighting for.”
(Again Patrick; welcome here; and I’ll be looking forward to hearing you this week!
Thank you for sharing these simply magnificent pieces Mars! I can see why they were so profoundly moving to you; and Vialey Pisarenko’s performance was just breathtaking! The depth of context you provided tied everything together beautifully and I hope you will offer more of these. Many of the Impressionists are some of my favorites; Debussy and Satie in particular; but I am certainly no authority in this area.
Here is a short documentary clip you might enjoy of Eugene Atget’s photographs of Old Paris accompanied with music by Eric Satie:
Mars; what an absolutely exquisite piece! This must have been quite a special moment. I am always amazed at how music is able to capture and express things for which there are no words! Thank you very much for sharing this.
Hello Kenneth; welcome aboard. Chief moderator; Stephen Gerringer may have more to add; but check your Meet and Greet box for some information I left you that may help with what you are searching for. (There is no specific question and answer group that does what you are asking. You can of course just post a question as a topic which may give you what you need. ) Hope this helps.
Hello Kenneth; welcome here. Chief moderator: Stephen Gerringer; may drop by at some point and be able to better advise you; but in the meantime I’ll offer a couple of suggestions that may help. Alas the Roundtable discussion groups are pretty much gone; (but there is no group per say that answers specific questions as you requested); You can of course just post a question as a topic; which actually may be a good way to get information; but the whole website is basically setup to help you find information about Joseph and his ideas if you know where to look.
The top row of drop down buttons are all categorized by subject and resource concerning which area has access to the various topics you can search for Joseph’s material and various Foundation areas of classification for further research on your own. You have already found the “Conversations” which are basically setup for people to choose a topic of interest to discuss with other members.
Depending on your background knowledge of Joseph’s scholarship and themes there are however some general overview video documentaries such as: Bill Moyers excellent 6 part series – The Power of Myth; (which many in the general public already know about); The biographical video documentary: “The Hero’s Journey – Joseph Campbell on his Life and Work”- (which also has a companion book which includes more discussion with him about his life. I would also suggest foundation editor- David Kudler’s excellent: “Pathways to Bliss”; and one of my favorite’s: Diane K. Osbon’s: “Reflections on the Art of Living – A Joseph Campbell Companion”; as helpful guides to insights into Joseph’s themes and some practical applications in Joseph’s own words. And the more recent videos by Pat Soloman: “Finding Joe”; and Stephen and Whitney Boe’s: “Mythic Journey’s”. These have been the most helpful for me over the last 30 years in finding practical applications that actually work; but that is just in my experience. Your may have other areas in mind concerning your documentary; but they may be a place to start.
You mentioned quotes by Joseph so will I suggest going to the above dropdown menus to the specific section that says: Campbell’s Works; click quotes; that provides 436 of them. Enjoy; and again; welcome here.
Mars; why don’t you select a piece you like to add to the fun if you are a mind. All are invited here to contribute; and from your post it sounds like you remembered something very special!
Yes Mary; I love Autumn because it asks that you stop for a moment to appreciate the magic you are immersed in. The piece above was recorded live in a club in Washington DC by “Eva Cassidy” in 1996 who died of cancer shortly after never knowing she would become a phenomena on the internet. Over the years her album became the top seller on Amazon with reviewers calling her a voice of the age. “Over the Rainbow” is probably her most popular with over 17 million likes and still counting. That above piece had 10 million before the London Symphony overdubbed their arrangement; plus those stunning visuals were added as well. Her fan base and work continues on with her parents managing her copyrights. There is an amazing backstory all about this on Wikipedia.
I’m now going to add a different song about Autumn from another artist you might be familiar with; Sarah Vaughn; but the song itself has become a jazz standard with recordings by multiple artists. It always puts me in that same reflective state of mind:
How we read a symbol and a sign come from 2 different points of emotional interpretation as Joseph points out; one usually has to do with information of what one might call an ambivalent nature; whereas the other is much more emotionally connected. Jung states emotion is the pathway to making the unconscious conscious; so that what had previously been interpreted one way is now seen or interpreted in a completely different one. (Joseph points to the difficulty involved when he says “concretizing” a symbol as a “fact” instead of seeing it as a “metaphor” pointing past itself gets in the way of how we emotionally interpret something. In other words: “God thinks he is a fact; instead of realizing he is a metaphor.” Or in Jungian or Campbell speak: “these are categories of thought”.)
The Shadow resides in what Joseph called the landfill of the psyche so that this neglected unrealized aspect has been interpreted from a unrealized or uninformed point of view. The dark side of emotion as Jung and Joseph points out contains terrifying potential as well as tremendous potential for realization if properly understood within the right context. For instance if one says you and the other are one; this is the Jesus in you coming into realization instead of seeing the other person as someone you dislike, fear, or hate; much less disagree with.
In the above clip is a set of symbols in a cigar box that conjure up a certain context theme that the movie represents of Scout’s childhood from which the story evolves concerning Boo Radley and his relationship to her as it evolves thoughout the film toward realization to which I will refer to in a closing clip that it returns to at the end! This juxtaposition between fear of Boo to tenderness and compassion against the back drop of tremendous social upheaval concerning Tom Robinson’s trial and racial animosity provides a life lesson concerning these above Archetypal influences and the way her point of view is forever changed. So therefore this Shadow archetype can now be re-interpreted in a completely new way as a vehicle of consciousness.
For me personally the scene resonates deeply from personal experience so that every time I see this clip it pulls up certain memories that hold powerful childhood experiences that can now be re-interpreted in a completely different context that unlocks what had previously been extremely painful can now be seen as transformative within the context of my own story.
Now more than ever I think Joseph’s understanding of Jung’s thoughts concerning the threat of man’s Shadow side to his very existence hang on understanding how integrating this neglected and unrealized side of man’s animal nature hold the key to his survival! And by understanding man’s vulnerability to Shadow stimulation within emotional manipulation; and this relationship to society as witnessed now through social media; this toxicity concerning conflict is now becoming apparent in full view through the duality that you mentioned above. In other words: “one side wins and the other side loses without seeing the other in you”; so that the humanity is lost within the context of the struggle and the outcome can become an all or nothing; or even worse a complete disaster where both sides lose taking out the support structure as well; as in the environment that holds everything together.
(An Addendum change): I hope my explanation makes the necessary connection between these various dots or attempts at description. I have substituted a different closing clip which I referred to that should better illustrate my point which goes into further depth concerning the symbolism used in the cigar box and it’s relationship to the understanding of who Boo Radley is and the difference between shadow projection of the collective unconscious and Stephen’s point concerning projection of the personal unconscious.
Scout experiences the collective projection that Boo is considered crazy and a madman and to be feared. In the climax she then discovers that Boo has saved both her and her brother and is actually a shy, gentle, kind, and sensitive person; much like the Mocking Bird described by her father earlier in the film; that has been misunderstood and her understanding is transformed by this realization involving her personal unconscious which is brought to fruition in the closing scenes of the film:
Yes to both Stephen; and I’m going to offer another YouTube clip as an example to illustrate my point concerning symbol stimulation of the Archetype and it’s connection to Shadow through the vehicle of emotional connection.
It is September and Autumn is upon us turning the leaves to gold and the air is now turning crisper with the promise of Winter to follow. Fall is a beautiful and reflective time for me revealing nature’s wonder with the birds migration and the seasons cycle of change of which we all are a part. The exquisite version of this song below has a great back story but I will wait till after I post it:
Stephen; I just spent over 2 hours putting a post together on this thread in answer to yours and added this YouTube clip from the foundation website and this same problem blocked it as before; this is a test to see if it happens again. (Okay; now I’m going to see if this stays up after an edit.) (First it blocks it; then it doesn’t; then it does it again.) I have no idea what is going on with “wordfence”. One more try.
Here is a clip from a documentary that describes a teachers journey with her students back in the 1970’s in a rural southern school immersed in poverty. She movingly tells what she found when going back to see how their lives turned out. What she did was use photography as a vehicle of discovery for her students to find out what their dreams were and then go about using this knowledge to unlock their vision of their own futures. She wrote a book chronicling her experiences using her students pictures to reveal their inner worlds and the documentary then ends with a showing of their work. This is yet another way of finding and telling one’s story:
Stephen I’m working on an addition to this post but I want to leave a link about Social Media that I feel definitely relates to this topic. The Shadow responds to emotional stimulation and this interview has major concerns about social media’s impact on human behavior. I’ll be back to pick this up later but I thought you might want to view this first.