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March 28, 2021 at 1:20 am in reply to: THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY #5166
There are many individual who have garnered the reality of “God’s Oath of Confirmation” and obedience to the “…one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren,” who “learned to be pitiful, courteous, not rendering evil for evil,…knowing that ye are called to this, that ye should inherit a blessing” as John of Patmos received the ministry of Christ to be continued on earth through him. John 19:26,27 “When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.” John was so high in consciousness poison, nor being put in boiling oil had any affect on him.
And although John was stranded on the Isle of Patmos, he had his own disciple who sat and learned from him. This is the mission of those who find the mystical key of life. Those who realize we are not here to seek human betterment for human benefits, but to find our permanent identity and our place in the bosom of Spirit where there are no boundaries, limits, conditions, levels, stages, degrees, or realms of hindrance existing anywhere in the world and universe of the human mind but those which the mind itself places there.
We made a Promise Covenant with God that should He allow us to descend we would restore our minds to the harmony of our universe, world, and earth, and give light to all who stepped into our aura. Our mission is ascension, and Ascension can only be accomplished when we realize its “not robbery to be equal with God.” Phil.2:6. To acquire an understanding our Soul realization is to step into the Spirit of Soul by giving up the ghost spirit, the feet of clay (ego) walking, lurking in our flesh, so we can be lifted up consciously into “Christ in him, his hope of glory.”
[See…The Revelation, Author: John – chapter One The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him,”]
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
March 26, 2021 at 11:56 pm in reply to: THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY #5163You are thoroughly welcomed Movingalways, for no one talks anymore.
Everyone who’s familiar with The Wizard of Oz realizes the characters in it were eventually shown the reality of that which they were seeking when they made a startling revelation of seeing themselves concerning themselves. So, then, the reality beyond morphing god humanly is always needed here. Also needed is patience, strength, and courage, as Ps.27:14 tells us: “Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.”
Consequently the core, it would appear, of our acceptance or denial is fear and ostracizing. After years of being antagonized, those sincere learn resilience. It takes a resilience, unyielding stance to break the chain of filibuster which prolongs one need to “be strong in the Lord, and the power of his might.” Within this strength, the strong speaking out . They take a stand which every individual living, in fear, need to do with an unyielding earnest desire to step out of the clutch of the god of this world’s mentality, into the substance and essence of THAT “without father, without mother, without decent, having neither beginning of day nor end of life.” Each step one takes to be free of the clay of the earth has to start by comprehending the myth of God being a man is the metaphor which deceives.
Man’s Anthropomorphic god
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
March 25, 2021 at 11:28 pm in reply to: THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY #5154Movingalways, and Stephen Gerringer, thank you for responding sincerely. I asked myself what can be proved, or validated in individual or collective minds of mankind concerning what has been the experience of awareness? Individual experiences sought to be proved or validated are only relative to individual experience and knowledge. In time, there has always been the Wise men who took people one step closer to the awakening Word. But cognitive validation of what these Wise men have projected to other minds cannot be authenticated by human knowledge, mediums, tarot cards, numerology, psychology, denominational and non-denominational churches, cults, myth, or any material law which have not reached beyond the mind into the invisible where all creation originate. This does not leave out the faith healers, shamans, gurus, priests, and scholars of theology, nor those who claim to be privileged to God. When it comes down to the reality of awakening, there is no one who can speak about their revelation with understanding except the revelator. There is no one who can message understandable details of their relation except the revelator. It is a mistake for those who have feet of iron and part clay to believe Christ’s, or Buddha’s transcendental revelation, or message cannot be conceived by the human mind.
In stepping forward, when Spirit enters into this parenthesis of flesh, It must find an authority the conceived can believe in when it is awakened to flesh senses. Once this entering Spirit occupies an entity of flesh, it awoke to the illusion of time, space, distance and three dimensional matter which clothed the entity with dual mindsets. Once the conceived acknowledge these dual traits, it becomes covered with the spirits of the earth, and will need the guidance of Christ to find justice and mercy in the forest of human thoughts to keep it on the straight and narrow path so its feet, and mentality does not morph into iron and clay, and its consciousness does not become partial, and its mind possessive of things which does not belong to it. This is why men are told “in all thy ways, acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths…leave the stump of the roots in the earth.”
Should any individual acknowledge these event heretofore mentioned to be a true, this begs the question where, and who, and what, when, and why would one keep believing entering into the darkness of condensation, where limitation placed them in the snake pit of the illusion of hell, can be found outside of themselves?
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
March 13, 2021 at 4:00 am in reply to: THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY #5064They don’t!!!
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
March 12, 2021 at 10:33 pm in reply to: THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY #5057You and every human being – and I do not shield myself – who walks to and fro through the earth expressing opinions about that which they do not know as if they do know.
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March 12, 2021 at 6:55 pm in reply to: THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY #5055To find definition, a merging relationship to something in consciousness which is invisible to the human mind, there must be a bridge from one point to the other, and that is thought. The reality of anything in matter and human awareness is moved and manifested by the mind’s consciousness of thought. All learning, all awakening, all dreams, all intellectual journeys exist and ride upon the faux movement of human thought. All in the world of manifested human awareness, therefore, has no definitive meaning beyond human interpretations, opinions, and theories, because meaning is found in cause.
In the world of matter and intellect, invisible human thought is always the cause of effect, which the human mind mistakenly believes to be reality. In this misunderstanding belief, the human mind logically believes it can find reason in that which it cannot pinpoint beyond theorizing.
The reality of all creation is invisible. Music is invisible. Judgment is invisible. Condemnation is invisible. Lack of understanding is invisible. Understanding is invisible. Love is invisible. Hope is invisible. Truth is invisible. Science is invisible. For a psychologist, philosopher, preacher, guru, and lay person to use logic as a truth is flawed because what they give out of their understanding can only reflect on the experience of their minds, and imagination. They can go no further. This is far worse than not being able to comprehend words, because instead of helping someone by showing them the true mechanism of the working mind, and why this happens, and that happens, one is shown nothing but the nature of their imperfection, e.g., the big bang is a scientific theory, no more no less, and is totally speculation for there is no evidence of the universe beginning as an explosion of implosion, nor anything of causation for such a theory from any religion or scientific setting.
Theory is imperfect in history. History only birth history and can only produce a child of stillborn repetition. We are Spirits. Every thought and action we take and project into the ethereal and other people’s minds has a spirit intent and purpose behind it, no matter if it be of love or hate, like or dislike, good or evil. We have always been the expression of God, and God is a Spirit, which tells us we are the expressed image of God’s glory. That sperm and egg has a conscious direction in them, as Halley’s Comet has, but no capacity to think and act on their own. Had not your Spirit, as mine, as every Spirit of light which cometh into the world, not entered into that body of flesh produced by the egg and sperm when it grasped for breath, and had we, as individual emanations of Spirit not entered that body of flesh we would have been stillborn.
This is why THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
March 11, 2021 at 3:08 pm in reply to: THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY #5052You have correctly stated: “Ones point of view is as a shadow,” but ones shadow does not exist in volume for others whose POV is only dependent upon the angle of their visions. All shadows, all “photon moving at the speed of light viewing other selfsame phantoms experienced by men” begin with birth. Their indoctrinated upbringing, living, learning and death are to be found in the melting pot of all human life. Nonetheless, men cannot comprehend the thud, thud, thud of others footsteps upon the pavement of their minds. They can not comprehend where others are coming from because they don’t know where others have been, and vice versa. So shadows are not a
of direction even for the ‘ones’ who cast them, for the hermeneutic circle does not deal with God’s unconditioned attributes. It deals with human interpretation of understanding a text hermeneutically, which is saying a section of the circle of anything in human speculation must be dealt with one step at a time, or “precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.”
Because “Ones point of view is a shadow,” and a shadow does not exist where it does not fall. A shadow also does not exist, where it does fall, ” “THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY.”
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
March 11, 2021 at 5:31 am in reply to: THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY #5050Word/pictures, in any logical setting are understood to be descriptive to one’s point of view from one’s specific learning which is always individualized by one’s learning process. Word/pictures go no further than the ceiling of one’s own comprehension, and are never definitive of anything precise because the dual mindset does not allow transition of discernable hierarchy. If word/pictures were absolutely definitive, there would be no need for discussions and debatable dialogue, for an exchange of knowledge and wisdom would be exact for one and all. The key to this paragraph and word/pictures is relative. Words never move one into truth because words never move beyond relativity.
Myth has, as those who stepped out of time, space, distance, and matter into the vacuum of Spirit, never stopped pointing to the Middle, yet, we are all still seeking an Authority to break the chain death has upon us, and when we find it, we will understand exactly why no human authority has been sufficient to perform Healing of all kinds and is not permanent in the world of matter. We will also understand why God’s authority can never be found outside of our being. “THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY.”
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
March 10, 2021 at 3:30 pm in reply to: THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY #5045“Ahhh! The beauty of a conversation when the participants are expecting to establish positions of experiences, or hear-say finds expansion through each other’s words.”
Tapping knowledge is inevitable, it appears, then it is no more. It is the flow of life. The very instant of life as the second is the very instant it is no longer that second. Now you see it, now you don’t. Nonetheless, the knowledge which came with the second that was, sticks to the mind, then moves aside to receive the flow of which removes the now of then to the now of now. It is as the running water of the river, touching here, then becomes invisible. Nonetheless, it has left its presence with what it touched of memory. “Language is not a toy…All rise upward toward Higher Order.”
What we are to recognize is our divinity in puns and allusions, knowing “Pictures are language in multiple dimensions.” They are in uncompromising manner word images. To go beyond the mind that we may fit “that which is beyond all categories of thought.” Words are relative to individual understanding, One can only recognizing their ‘divinity’ in the forgiveness of themselves. This is what opens the door for one to enter and sup with “Christ in you, the hope of glory.”
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
March 6, 2021 at 1:34 pm in reply to: THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY #5018R³
Ahhh! The beauty of a conversation when the participants are expecting to establish positions of experiences, or hear-say finds expansion through each other’s words.
Language is not a toy, I’ve discovered, and the consequence of it is serious, hurtful, or fulfilling – when their intents, and purposes bend to the relative character of its speakers or receivers.I do not know what space travel is. There is no space between myself and thoughts, nor outer objective visions or inner subjective feelings. Here, let me explain what I mean this way.
The law of reflection demands, as does the law of shadow, an object of reality to manifest either of them as a subjective mirage. But that is all they are, a mirage. Neither a reflection, nor shadow has substance, essence, nor volume even though they can be seen as an island of water is seen by a thirsty man in the desert. This means their reality is in the uvea of the individual who sees them. Nonetheless there is nothing there, yet there is a reflection mirrored, and shadows cast. There are illusions.
Pulling this conversation out of thin air. We find ourselves living between two worlds of shadows with dual active mindsets indoctrinating us in hearsay religion, philosophy, and psychological relativism. We are commanded to take no thought of shadow relativism we have received consciously and accepted personally. They are images which form visions and mirages dividing, and keep the world of cosmic conscious laws, and the law of the Spirit of life at odds. These forms create beliefs the mass density of interpreted human matter can be objectified by the human imagination, when reality stated “Let there be light” which “has no form or comeliness to be desired.”
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
March 6, 2021 at 4:30 am in reply to: THE CLAY FEET OF THOSE WHO WOULD LEAD DOES NOT DEAL WITH REALITY #5016What doe clay feet symbolize for you?
One stuck in the shadow of their own shadow.
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
This mind journey of conquering the mountaintop of intellectualism begins afar or near. It begins at the fringe of the mountain for some, and at the foot of the mountain, or on the mountain itself for others. All are vagabonds in pursuit of the mountain’s peak. And no matter what any individual has accumulated and crowded in the storehouse of their souls there is no rest to be found within their house, only rays of light breaking through small openings.
The accumulation of inherited knowledge, human wisdom, and they say information, as all their material toys of matter and self-righteous superior egos, people will come to find, will disappear just as those things did of the wandering vagabonds who came before them so room for the next recruits of temporary vagabonds, who as them will follow the patterns of relativism.
Eventually all men will come to comprehend every portion of their journeys have been no different in principles nor patterns than any one else’s. In some moment of recognition of the principles and patterns. some will come to understand the routes taken by them have been the same grueling experiences all have taken at some point of their living. Some routes more painful, some more pleasurable, some with, some without. Some will come to understand they are no better or worse than anyone else, for the principles of achieving the peak epiphany, the American Dream, the Holy Grail they believe will move them beyond their thoughts is there for all to reach, touch, hold, and claim ownership of. Life is opened to everyone equally regardless of the appearance. The use of the principles and patterns is activated according to the advancement of how high one is willing to go to experience the ultimate suffering unto death the physical climb from animalism require for ascending the roads the mountain provides for ascension into the Spirit substance and essence of the climbers.
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
You are correct Stephen in the way myth is used. It is in the circle of life. In a more abstract way, it is the inner journey of the hero also.
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
What people express in words to one another is not captured, nor displayed to the receiver’s inner truth the speaker’s or writer’s revelation conveyed. Words are only pointers. That is the illusion of words, also the metaphor of mirages lived. That is the mirage of The Tower of Babel symbol found in Genesis 11:1–9, and the origin myth meant to explain why the world’s peoples speak different languages, whether written, or placed upon a canvas, or spoken.
No one sees or feels the truth which culminate s as a written or spoken word, or painted image of experience through the eye of another. The viewer, or reader, or hearers becomes selective in relativity points which are relative to their personalized comprehensive living and evaluation. The reader, viewer, and listener accept or reject, something they do, or do not relate to, thus, words have become the Father of lies, for they have deceptively caused people to accept or reject someone’s experience as their own. This is the illusion, the lie, the mirage, the metaphor men live by and as.
Never give power to anything a person believes is their source of strength - jufa
Hello Mars, the reference you seek can be found at the bottom of my post. But to be sure: ” Shamans as the first shapers of myth” and Campbell’s reference, is found inthis video almost verbatim @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKC8yuWcWqo&list=PLiJELyO9hcAZ_JVEmAI3sByatFwdSy6F7&index=29
Thank you, jufa
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When you finish your post, before clicking the Submit button check the box at the bottom of your post that reads, “Notify me of follow-up replies via email.” You can also click on “Subscribe” (in the upper right corner of a thread) to follow the complete conversation (often a comment on someone else’s post might inspire a response from you).
We ask that when linking to web pages, please avoid posting the raw URL address in your text. Highlight the relevant text you'd like to link in your post, then select the link icon in your formatting bar above your post (immediately to the left of the picture icon, this looks like a diagonal paperclip). This opens a small field:
Paste the URL of the page you are linking to into the field provided. Then click on the gear icon to the right of that field, and check the box that says “Open link in a new tab” (so readers can see your link without having to navigate back to the forums), before clicking the green “Add Link” button.
To add an image to your post, click on the image icon in the menu at the top of your post (it's the icon on the far right):
In the Source field of the pop-up form, click on the camera icon on the far right. This should give you access to the files on your PC / laptop, or the photo library on your mobile device. Select the image, and add a brief description (e.g., "Minoan Goddess") in the appropriate field.
In the dimensions field, you only need enter the first number (240 is a good size for starters; if too small click the edit icon and increase that number). Then select OK.
Click on the name of the person you want to contact (under their avatar in a any of their posts). This link will take you to that member’s profile page. Then click on “Send a Message,” and compose.
If you witness or experience behavior that you feel is contrary to the letter or spirit of these guidelines, please report it rather than attacking other members. Do this by choosing the Report button (next to “Reply”) at the top of the post, and select a reason from the dropdown menu (Spam, Advertising, Harassment, or Inappropriate Content). The moderation team will be notified. Depending on the degree of bad behavior, further posts might require approval, or the user could be blocked from posting and even banned.
Visit the Contact the Foundation page, select Community and Social Media, and fill out the contact form.